Tuesday, May 4, 2010

Changes for 2011

While the tournament is still fresh in everyone's minds, let's try and figure out what can be changed in future years. I'll get the ball rolling with a few suggestions but I encourage everyone to throw around ideas and I'll do my best to get them to Kevin. Give a good explanation of why the change is needed.

1. Eliminate +/- as a tie-breaker, or at least put a cap on goal difference per game. This current rule means that good teams have incentive to destroy weak teams and nobody really wants to see that. I can't fault Germany and Jamaica for crushing Scotland - but I want to.

2. Make sure all of the groups have equal teams. Group A was unfair for the winning teams (easier) and the losing teams (only four games instead of five). If you need to cut three teams to make the tourny total 20 then do it. Otherwise go with the full 24.

3. Cut out the anthems. Or maybe find versions that aren't the slowest thing available (I was shocked at the choice of the sleep-inducing Canadian anthem). Once for the first game is good, then only do it for playoffs. So much time listening to music - often to the detriment of the just-finished warm-up.

4. Do not expand the youth or women's divisions any further. The product is already watered down - don't make it worse. Actually, to go back to point #2, cut the men's back to 20 teams.

5. Lower the cost of the tournament pass. $75 is way too much to pay for something that is good - but not great. It's exploitation of the youth teams' relatives who don't really have a choice but to come and watch their kids run around. Also unfair for the women's teams' fans that only played THREE games.

5.1 If you're going to charge $75 then at least make it usable for the final day. Paying $10 per person for the final EVEN IF they had a tourny pass is BS.

Let's hear some more.....

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

I agree about reducing the number of men's teams to an even number to establish even pools. Maybe some sort of qualification games throughout the indoor season would provide for some exciting soccer before the actual tournament.

As for your suggestion to cut out the anthems. I totally disagree with this one. This tournament is built around being a multicultural event, and the anthems are unique part of the whole WCP Cup experience in my opinion. Shortening some of the anthems may be an option as I know El Salvador's anthem is shortened and I believe there were a few others as well. But to get rid of the anthems would take some of the "culture" out of the tournament and I know for a fact many people who come out to the tournament who are directly from the countries being represented feel a sense of pride when they hear their heritage anthem at the event.

Anonymous said...

The +/- needs to be there as a tie breaker. what else would you use after head to head? dont get to upset that you got second cause your offense shit the bed against Scotland. Or wait was it the defense allowing 3 goals? either way you need the +/-.

Anonymous said...

Make a pre tournament for the lower teams to qualify for the 20 spot.

Playmaker said...

Norway finished second in the pool because of the head-to-head with Germany. The +/- had absolutely no bearing on whether we advanced or not. The problem was that it potentially could have made a difference for Jamaica and Germany so they felt it was necessary to humiliate Scotland. It wasn't their fault, it was because the rules dictated they had no choice.

Anonymous said...

I think you should put the crack away! The Amthems is what makes this tournament feel like the world cup. The +/- rule probably will not even come into play for next year because they are more than likely gonna make every game a winner or loser with OT and penalty shots so that benefits you. The womens and youth should be expanded because we need more mens teams and good players to replenish the old, like you. Also, nobody comes to watch Norway they come to watch teams like ES, Ireland, Chile, Nigeria, Laos, so take a step back and just enjoy the games.

Deadmoney said...

anthems should be played during play offs only too time consuming. Seat only the top 8 teams or...do what fifa does have pots that teams are in and select from each pot for the draw ex: pot A would be the quarter finailts, pot b would be the 3rd place finishers in each pool, pot c 4th place pool finishers or something. should teams qualify for the tournament? I think it would bring more quality play but Kevin wouldnt like that idea. I did suggest to the wcp committe the scheduling has to be better ex

game at 7 ends really around 8:10-15 ish they should schedule realistic times.

the womens,youth and all those divisions should be scrapped, lol

Anonymous said...

+/- is there in case of a 3 way tie. ie Team A beat Team B, Team B beat Team C and Team C beat Team A.

Anonymous said...

qualification should be in order, pay half and then once you qualify pay the other half

Anonymous said...

Do not remove the anthems!!! Playin the anthems at the beggining of every game brings out the cultural part of this tournament. It is really special to the players on the field and it gives them a sense of price. Removing the anthems would be the worst change. DO NOT REMOVE THEM

Anonymous said...

your gay.

Anonymous said...

i agree with the last comment if you want to hear the anthem move to that country you stupid immigrate

Anonymous said...

whose the moron who posted the last comment about being a stupid immigrant? Shows how ignorant you are buddy, don't you realize that the majority of Canadians are immigrants. Most canadians have a grandparent or great grandparents that immigrated from another country to Canada.

Anonymous said...

i think 75 bucks is bull shit for a pass
it should be at least 30-40 which includes the final...

Playmaker said...

OK, so if we don't remove the anthems then there should be a time limit for each. Something like two minutes. I'm certain there are 2 minute versions of anthems for every nation out there - so if your team wants it played then you should be responsible for providing the version that meets that criteria.

Anonymous said...

May 4 9:13 P.M. Anonymous posted:
"i agree with the last comment if you want to hear the anthem move to that country you stupid immigrate"

All I can say is that if you can't fucking spell in English (or to be fair, in French) then maybe you should find another country to move to. It's "immigrant" you racist, bigoted (yes, and stupid)asshole - not "immigrate".

Keep the anthems - but agreed, some shortened versions may be in order.

Anonymous said...

the following anthems should not be played

Laos
Ireland
France
Canada
Poland
Germany
Norway
Nigeria
El Salvador
Ukraine
Jamaica
Portugal
N. Ireland
Austria
Columbia
Botswana
Serbia
Afghanistan
Italy
England
Chile
Greece
Scotland

if you havent figured it out yet, I dont want to hear any anthem except for:







WHOOP THERE IT IS, oh ya tag team!

Anonymous said...

here's a suggestion: if you dont like the way the tournament is run then fuck off.

the price for a tournament pass is what it is because of how expensive the tournament is to put on and because of the incredibly hard work of the tournament organizers. you think holness is rolling in cash after this tournament? give me a break. your suggestions are pretty dumb.

the only thing i can really suggest would be to get some more seating for the final and some of the playoff games.

Playmaker said...

Whoa. Someone has something personally invested in this. Here's the thing - the tournament is good, nobody is disputing that. But there are always things that can be fixed/improved upon for any event so don't go getting all uptight about suggested changes. Clearly, nobody commenting has the power to implement anything because of the iron fist that controls WCP..... I mean, because we're not on the organizing committee....

Nobody even brought up that Kevin was making money on this. Is he? That's interesting then isn't it? I thought it was non-profit. In that case I really want the price of the tournament pass reduced because $75 is even more crazy.

In any case Norway is entering a team for 2011 so no, I will not fuck off and I will continue to think some things can be changed.

Anonymous said...

I know that Presidents, Directors or Managers and the staff of non-profit organizations still have personal bills to pay, food to eat, families to raise and transportation needs. I believe they get paid - but I could be wrong. Hey, hey is an idea, let's ask the heart and Stroke Foundation if their staff get paid they are non-profit. OK, that's an extreme case, what about the Manager of the Chamber of Commerce, They are non-profit too, or what about the Myriad of non-profits that may not necessarily be charitable, but do play a role in growing culture, sport and society. Yeah, I think you're all right - they should volunteer their time out of the goodness of their hearts and starve. YOU GUYS ARE OUT TO LUNCH!

The cost of living in Saskatchewan since the first 2005 has grown exponentially. Instead of blaming the soccer community, ie WCP, the RSA and the SSA, ask questions from council, the province and the feds. These are the people responsible for managing the economy and the rate of inflation.

Never mind... Let's blame Kevin and Dennis, it's way more fun and easier.

Anonymous said...

I think we should blame Dennis. Kevin is da shit!!! They shouldn't even be used in the same sentence.

Playmaker said...

Nobody was blaming anyone. Just thought the tournament pass was too expensive - which it is. There's no reason for it to be that high and I don't think anyone should feel bad about questioning why its up there. If people get paid, fine. Why don't they tell us how much (like all the non-profits you just listed)? I'm just saying. Don't compare apples and oranges because it absolutely will fall apart.

Anonymous said...

$75 is fairly steep to pay at once, but if you plan to go every day, or almost every day, you're getting a lot for your money. A one day admission - $7 I think? How much does it cost to go to a movie now? There were a lot of people drinking $20+ of beer a night there, but they don't complain about that! Players got an all inclusive pass. Compare to $500 a lot of weekend tournaments charge now. Put it in perspective.

Playmaker said...

Which tournaments charge $500? I would never pay that - couldn't afford it.

Anonymous said...

The $500 is the team charge for a lot of 1/2 field indoor tournaments now. So if you go with 16 players, it's about $31 per player. That's for just a weekend. So if you played in the WCP, the $900 team fee for men is divided by say 18-20 players on average - that's $45-$50 per person and you get to watch 2-1/2 weeks of soccer as well as play in 4-5 games. Point was, I'm assuming most of the people on this blog are also players, and for players it isn't that bad a deal. For fans - you still get a lot of soccer to watch for $75.

Playmaker said...

I got ya. I thought you meant $500 per person or something. All I could think was Roughriders and Pats.
The breakdown makes sense - I still think the price is a little rough for non-diehards or family members of the youth teams that maybe don't really follow soccer but are obligated to watch because they need to support their kid.

Anonymous said...

Maybe they should have a "follow your team" package option next year for a lower price. You indicate which team you want to follow and buy a package but can only use it on the days they play. They offer stuff like that for the real World Cup and Euro (although they don't give any price breaks).

Playmaker said...

I like the "follow your team" package a lot. Say they make it $30. That's a little less than someone might pay for five $7 games - but still a pretty hefty sum and much more reasonable than $75. If the pass-buyer wants to watch other games then they have to hike over the single-day fee. Much more fair to non-die-hards and they can still keep the $75 pass for those who want it.

Anonymous said...

who ever said the comment about non-profit you really need to be educated about how a non-profit organization is run.. yes there are volunteers. but some people do need to get paid to keep the business running you dumb fuck! so go get an education before you make comments.. because clearly you dont have any. and it is pretty high of price to charge 75 dollars for a tourny pass but don't blame the organizers. blame the fuckin building who charges to rent the place.

Anonymous said...

The tournament runs 3 weeks of the year.... It's not like the people running the thing are earning a living by puting on the tournament. If they're fleecing the players and the fans with high ticket prices and entry fees then I think we have every right to question them. I blame the WCP organizers, not the building. The RSA has to pay rent - and that's a legit business expense. WCP makes tons of money but pretends that it doesn't.

Anonymous said...

The RSA has to pay rent....by renting out the back fields during playoff games? Give me a break you RSA brainwashed idiot. The RSA is run by wanna-be fucktards(how do you spell that?). Braden make a poll about how many people think the RSA is run by idiots. I vote Yes

Anonymous said...

So I guess I'll throw this out there to start the new year...

1. +/- as a tie breaker? You have to keep that in there. What would be the alternative? you need tie breaking procedures. While Germany and Jamaica had incentive to run up the score it also didn't help that Scotland's starting keeper wasn't playing in either game. Would it have made a difference? Who knows. Either way you still need tie breakers, as it's WAY too hard to round up teams to last minute to play a shootout to break ties.

2. Agree with the even teams.

3. DO NOT REMOVE THE ANTHEMS. This is a multicultural event. This isn't just some soccer tournament. While I agree it would be great to find more upbeat versions of the anthems, you still need to keep them in. If you cut them out, at least play the anthem of the winner (like the Olympics or international hockey tourney's).

4. Agreed. Keep the youth and womens as is and cut down the Men's to 20 or even or even 16. Split the tournament off into an A group and B group. B group plays a qualifying tourney to in Feb/March. Top 2 teams get in. Bottom 2 teams from the A Group (the 16 teams in the real WCP Cup) get booted to the qualifer tourney the next year and need to earn their spot back. This will give teams incentive to make sure they have a strong team and will keep the quality of the tournament high. From a profitablilty standpoint, you have 2 tournements so you'll likely make some extra dough as well.

5. $75+ cost of the finals is a ridiculously high amount for admission. Especially when some of the people are only going to watch the 5 games that their spouse, sibling or child will be playing and couldn't care less about the rest of the tourney.